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This is the final piece of the puzzle for #148470: when copying data of a type that has padding, always do a mem-to-mem copy, so that we always preserve the source padding exactly. That prevents rustc implementation choices from leaking into user-visible behavior.

This is technically a breaking change: the example at the top of #148470 no longer compiles with this. However, it seems very unlikely that anyone would have depended on this. My main concern is not backwards compatibility, it is performance.

Fixes #148470


Actually that seems to be entirely fine, it even helps with some benchmarks! I guess the mem-to-mem codepath is actually faster than the scalar pair codepath for the copy itself. It can slow things down later since now we have to do everything bytewise, but that doesn't show up in our benchmarks and might not be very relevant after all (in particular, it only affects types with padding, so the rather common wide pointers still always use the efficient scalar representation).

So that would be my proposal to for resolving this issue then: to make const-eval behavior consistent, we always copy the padding from the source to the target. IOW, potentially pre-existing provenance in the target always gets overwritten (that part is already in #148259), and potentially existing provenance in padding in the source always gets carried over (that's #148967). If there's provenance elsewhere in the source our existing handling is fine:

  • If it's in an integer, that's UB during const-eval so we can do whatever.
  • If it's in a pointer, the the fragments must combine back together to a pointer or else we have UB.
  • If it's in a union we just carry it over unchanged.

@traviscross we should check that this special const-eval-only UB is properly reflected in the reference. Currently we have this but that only talks about int2ptr, not about invalid pointer fragments at pointer type. I also wonder if this shouldn't rather be part of "invalid values" to make it clear that this applies recursively inside fields as well.
EDIT: Reference PR is up at rust-lang/reference#2091.

Originally posted by @RalfJung in #148470

Worth noting that this does not resolve the concerns @theemathas had about -Zextra-const-ub-checks sometimes causing more code to compile. Specifically, with that flag, the behavior changes to "potentially existing provenance in padding in the source never gets carried over". However, it's a nightly-only flag (used by Miri) so while the behavior is odd, I don't think this is a problem.

Originally posted by @RalfJung in #148470


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Most of the performance regressions are from the coercions benchmark. All it does is create an array of a large number of string literals in const. Why did this benchmark's performance regress? There is no padding involved in any of the types.

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I find these perf results rather encouraging actually, given that this was a naive implementation. Noticeable regressions are on a limited set of tests, all of them stress-tests. I don't mind the currently-proposed lang decision so that we can get this merged, but if anyone with enough const-eval knowledge could try a non-naive version I'd be keen to revisit this.

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Noticeable regressions are on a limited set of tests, all of them stress-tests.

I think this mostly shows that we have very few interesting consts in our benchmarks.

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tmandry commented Dec 15, 2025

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Ok, the proposal on the table sounds reasonable. Options I can see for having a more satisfying story in the future:

  1. Uninitialize padding on typed copy (if we can improve the performance enough).
  2. Tracking type information + Ralf's suggestion in const-eval: always do mem-to-mem copies if there might be padding involved #148967 (comment) for a typed "carry alloc to runtime" operation – that sounds like it would be very visible to end-users. I could imagine making optional to users for more precise tracking if this error becomes a problem for them.

The second brings to mind a more general typed allocator API, which also would have to be optional. Then we could have typed/untyped allocations just as we have typed/untyped copies. That could be useful e.g. for heap profiling applications, among other things.

I'm certain I'm not the first to think of this though. I guess the reasons not to go down this path are some combination of the following; are there others?

  1. Not wanting added monomorphization; needing a TypeId mechanism that works for non-'static types to avoid it
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Turns out that there is already some code in the wild that depends on how exactly we do typed copies in consteval, according to crater on the PR implementing an alternative to this PR.

Edit: It is indeed just previously-uncaught consteval UB.

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I think that's just code with const-UB that we currently do not detect. We are at liberty to break such code.

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Ah, I missed the waiting-on-docs part... here we go: rust-lang/reference#2138.

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